USA Scorpio Chart – Case Study

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This USA Scorpio Chart – Case Study is to refine and generally formalize a recasting of this chart, based on the best available knowledge we have, recorded at the time the Declaration of Independence was signed. I believe it is time for Vedic astrologers to rethink the current convention, which pushes the time forward to 6 Pm or later, mainly to accommodate a Sagittarius ascendant.

The most authoritative source/time was from an established astrologer of the day Ebeneezer Sibley who published 10:10PM UT. Unless there are very compelling reasons to push the time forward close to an hour, we must start with this time. And as you will see, that time works very well.

A Few Major Shifts That Occur When Sagittarius Becomes Scorpio

  • Of course, Scorpio is a sign based on suspicion, domination, power grabs, etc (being ruled by Mars). Sagittarius would be more of a Theocratic state. Although many modern politicians want to act as though the US was founded on “God and Country” they are sadly mistaken. The SEPARATION of Church and State is an inviolable principle. Suspicion of Kings and leaders and of Gov’t itself is a core motivating factor. This “suspicion of power” is very much in alignment with Scorpio, not Sagittarius, where we WANT to be led by politicians and spiritual leaders. Until very recently, cult-like fealty to one leader was seen as revolting and against the principles of America.
  • A major shift occurs, moving energy away from the 7th house to the 8th house. The stellium of planets/Gemini move from 7th house to 8th house and Rahu/Mercury moves from 8th house to 9th house. Mercury becomes the 8th and 11th lord, not the 7th and 10th lord. This 8th house focus also shows how much emphasis the US places on the Military as a major source of money as well, selling weapons, etc.
  • Saturn aspects the ascendant to an exact degree (not present in a Sagittarius chart) and aspects the Stellium of Planets in the 8th house. This theme of “control, domination, war” – Saturn themes, runs through the history of the US. Not to mention rampant capitalism and concentration on wealth, even at the expense of well-being. Think of Saturn as the energy that “works itself to death”, especially in a fearful way (Scorpio). Also, the USA is much more conservative and prudish than other Liberal Democracies, especially in Europe. We have had “Puritans” and a strong “religious right” in this country. They even had tried for years to make laws and impose their conservative values on others, preventing women’s rights to safe abortions and gays to marry etc.
  • Sagittarius ascendant loads up the 7th house with massive Raja Yogas, all 3 Dharma lords joined, and in the angular 7th house. Although we would like to think that we have always been the most powerful and blessed and wealthiest and virtuous toward its citizens, it is simply not true. We were an average country, fledgling for close to 200 years, until after WWII – rife with Civil War, Slavery, Robber barons, Hyper-corporatism, Militarism, and consumerism. These things are now pushing the world to the brink. We do not take care of our citizens/each other, lacking basic services that all other countries have (free college, free health-care, high-speed rail, etc). There is ample money to take care of people, but militarism, corporate greed, domination of the natives, africans and the citizens themselves has been the sad history so far. These attributes are much more reminiscent of having these Yogas in the 8th house, not in the 7th house – the people.

These shifts are explained in great detail below and in this video.

What is the USA Ascendant (Rising Sign)?

Historical documentation regarding the exact time that the Declaration of Independence was signed:

  • Ebenezer Sibly, an 18th century British astrologer and freemason, published the first known horoscope of the U.S.A. in the early 1780s (in “A Complete Illustration of the Celestial Science of Astrology”) using 10:10 PM GMT ** equals 5:10 PM, LMT, in Philadelphia. (Sibly’s chart, by 1785 was variously quoted as 5:00 PM, 4:50 PM and 5:15 PM for the USA horoscope)
  • “Date of the signature of the Declaration of Independence”, from the Library of Congress, The Philadelphia Historic Society. Thomas Jefferson, when an old man, said it was “late afternoon” when the document was signed. John Adams and John Quincey Adams also claim that they signed “late in the day.”
  • Manly P. Hall, after visiting the Library of Congress sometime in the early 1940s, said that he found writings that supported “between 4:30 and 6:00 PM” without noting his source.

In conclusion, several sources affirm that the declaration was voted on by mid-afternoon, but it seems clear that the document was not signed until later in the afternoon, somewhere around 5 o’clock local time in Philadelphia, PA. An exact, to the minute, rectified time is beyond the scope of this article, but we will be exploring the chart using the 5:10 pm time, as it was noted and published at the time, by an astrologer. This is without a doubt, the most accurate source available, AND it changes the ascendant from Sagittarius (an unexamined, but generally accepted time by Vedic Astrologers) to Scorpio.

Vedic Chart For the USA
Overall, Scorpio as the ascendant, with the ruling planet Mars going into the 8th house (joined several other planets), works very well if you consider its Masonic (secret society) origins, militarization, colonization/taking the land from natives, enslavement, and warrior history. In addition, the USA as a “hero”/leader of the free world fits the Scorpio/Jyeshta/Indra mythology very accurately. Yet the mythology does not reflect the reality. To this day, the US Gov’t spends BY FAR most of its money on the military, at the expense of health care, education and so much more. The U.S. military expenditures are roughly the size of the next seven largest military budgets around the world, combined.

A snapshot view of this Scorpio chart shows 4 planets, including Mars the ruler, in the 8th house (War, secrets, domination, enslavement) as well as the 9th house (philosophies) containing Rahu and Mercury (8th house ruler). Saturn also aspects both that ascendant and the stellium in the 8th house. Saturn also rules the Rahu/Mercury in the 9th house. This Saturn influence on the ascendant can clearly be seen as a “Puritan” ethic, that still maintains to this day. The USA is certainly the most conservative “liberal Democracy” in the Western world.

The 8th house also has to do with research, advancement, destroying old paradigms, etc. This is also affirmed by the sign of Gemini. We saw this “New America” accelerate at a breakneck pace after World War II, (Mercury Dasa) then continue through Ketu, Venus and the Sun dasas. Also, Rahu/Mercury in the 9th house also shows a sense of inspiration, purpose and innovation, albeit a confused purpose – capitalism, militarism, consumerism, corruption and short-sightedness have been hallmarks of recent decades.

But patriotism and love of the homeland is also shown (moon, in the 4th), by those who have come to occupy these previously “native” lands.

Vimshottari Dasa Sequence (Using 17:10 )

Using a “birth” time of 17:10 (5:10pm) for the Declaration of Independence, the following timing sequence shows the country’s unfolding karmas:

  • Mars Jul 1776              Aug 1889            Aug 2009
  • Rahu Aug 1776            Aug 1896     —>Aug 2016
  • Jupiter Aug 1794        Aug 1914            Aug 2034
  • Saturn Aug 1810         Aug 1930            Aug 2050
  • Mercury Aug 1829     Aug 1949            Aug 2069
  • Ketu Aug 1846            Aug 1966            Aug 2086
  • Venus Aug 1853         Aug 1973            Aug 2093
  • Sun  Aug 1873            Aug 1993            Aug 2113
  • Moon Aug 1879         Aug 1999            Aug 2119

Historically Significant Events (Karmas)

A few things. In the chart of a country there are a few special rules for the houses.

  • 1st house – identity, the actions, the path/course the country takes
  • 2nd house – money, finances, values
  • 3rd house – innovation, tech, literature, ideas
  • 4th house – homeland, feeling, patriotism
  • 5th house – education system, inspirations
  • 6th house – the battles between the citizens, the problems, the enemies
  • 7th house – relationship to each other, gov’t to the people, and to other nations (Meta-level)
  • 8th house – War, destruction, rebirth
  • 9th house – the philosophy, religion, beliefs, sense of purpose
  • 10th house – the nation’s power, the leader/king/president/gov’t
  •  11th house – the collective identity and shared sense of sacrifice/duty
  • 12th house – the secrets, confusion, lies, hidden agendas

We can use historical data to see if we are using a correct (or close) birth time.
A few patterns:
Notice the 8th house themes as I discuss War, assassinations, etc. Notice how in 3 President assassinations, Jupiter was the bhukti lord. Jupiter is in the 8th house RULING the Sun in the 8th house (Sun and Jupiter are the “Leaders”). Venus also shows up in the War efforts a lot. She is in the 8th house, ruled by Rahu and Mercury, and also rules the 7th and 12th houses. Moon shows when the “Homeland” was attacked (War of 1812, Pearl Harbor, 9/11). Moon is in the 4th house (homeland and rules Rahu/Mercury). The Rahu/Mercury getting activated shows up a lot. Mercury is not only the 8th house ruler, but he is also the rules of 5 planets, 4 of them in the 8th house of war.

Predictive Formula
I have been using this predictive formula and fine-tuning it for more than a decade – and making very accurate predictions as a result. These are the very simple, yet precise rules for dasa planets activating Karmas. In Dasa cycles, karmas are produced based on the planet as a:

A: Karaka
B: House Ruler
C: Dispositor of a Planet in its Sign (in harmonic charts as well)
D: Dispositor of a Planet in its Nakshatra

There is no hierarchy in the above list. Look for a confluence of factors to see what the most prevalent issues will be.

  1. Pay close attention to when a Dasa/Bhukti cycle lines up with the Bhukti planet ruled by the Mahadasa planet.
    For example: A Mercury /Jupiter cycle with Jupiter in Mercury’s sign (Gemini, Virgo) or Nakshatra (Aslesha, Jyeshta, Revati) will be very active for showing major changes relative to what is indicated above. (the planets as Karakas and rulers)
  2. Look for these factors in the rasi chart and harmonic charts.
  3. Look for planets that are both karakas and house rulers to impact with more force. (EX: Jupiter is both the Karaka of children and the 5th house ruler)
  4. Look for 2 or more of these factors (for example both the karaka AND the house ruler) to be active when BIG things change.
  5. Notice when BOTH RULERS are active in Mahadasa and Bhukti cycles. (EX: Merc/Rahu, or Rahu/Merc would show BIG results to a planet in Ardra, because both the lord of the Rasi and the lord of the Nakshatra are active.)
  6. Evaluate the Dasa / bhukti planet by transit/aspects to the natal chart as well as transits/aspects to the dasa planet in the Natal chart.
  7. Planets activate the raja yogas they participate in as well as show those influences.

 

You will see these rules hold up very well when assessing the outcomes on these dates. They show quite succinctly not only WHAT happens but WHY it is happening, the motivation.

Important Dates and Cycles:

  • War of 1812June 18, 1812 – Saturn/Saturn. Saturn Rules Rahu/Merc in cancer (Retrograde 8th lord with Rahu in the 9th house in Pushya), also Ketu and Moon (4th house, homeland)
  • Civil WarApril 12, 1861 – Ve/RaRahu in 9th w/8th lord. Venus in 8th in Rahu Nakshatra. Rahu RULES venus (7th and 12th lord) in the 8th and joined 8th lord Mercury.
  • Uncle Tom’s Cabin Published – March 20, 1852. Ke/Sa – Ke/Me – leading to Abolitionism that started with Venus Dasa, then the Civil War in 1861. Ketu in the 3rd house/Saturn 3rd lord, communication, Mercury=writing, and ideas.
    * Note: Abraham Lincoln greeted Harriet Beecher Stowe in 1862 as ‘the little woman who wrote the book that made this great war,’
  • Lincoln Assassinated – April 15, 1865 – Venus/Jupiter – Both in 8th house – Jupiter rules 10th lord/Sun, the leader, in the 8th house.
  • Garfield Assassinated – September 19, 1881 – Moon/Rahu – Moon rules Rahu/Merc in 9th and is in the 4th house. Also rules Ketu in Shravana.
  • Mckinley Assassinated – September 14, 1901 – Rahu/Jupiter – Rahu joined the 8th lord, RULES Jupiter in the 8th who rules the Sun in the 8th.
  • Pearl Harbor Attack – December 7, 1941 – Saturn / Moon – Saturn rules the Moon in the 4th (Homeland). Moon rules the Rahu/Mercury in the 9th.
  • The US Dropped Atomic Bomb – August 6, 1945 – Saturn / Rahu – Saturn RULES Rahu in Pushya, also Moon in 4th, Ketu in Capricorn in 3rd – Rahu rules Jupiter and Sun in 8th and joined 8th lord Mercury.
  • JFK Assassination – 22 November 1963 – Mercury / Jupiter – Mercury is the 8th lord and RULES Jupiter in 8th. Jupiter also rules the Sun, the leader, in the 8th house.
  • Moon Landing – July 20, 1969 – Ketu/Rahu – Ketu is in the 3rd house (innovation), Rahu in the 9th with Mercury technology and innovation.
  • 9/11 Terror Attack11 September 2001 – Moon/Rahu – Moon rules the 9th house Rahu/Mercury and is in the 4th house (homeland).

Dasa Sequence/Events in the 20th Century to Present

  • Stock Market crash – October 29, 1929 (right before Saturn Dasa)
  • Saturn – Depression through WW2
  • Mercury – post WW2 innovation
  • Ketu – Late 60’s revolution
  • Venus – the “ME” generation
  • Sun – Clinton era/Corporatization
  • Moon – Bush Era
  • Mars – Obama era
  • Rahu – Trump election – present

Conclusion:

As I said at the beginning of the article: “The most authoritative source/time was from an established astrologer of the day Ebeneezer Sibley who published 10:10PM UT. Unless there are very compelling reasons to push the time forward close to an hour, we must start with this time.”

I think I have shown that a Scorpio ascendant is clearly correct for the chart of the USA and Mr. Sibley’s time/work is correct, and unless there are major problems with that time, moving it forward 1 hour, seemingly just to create a Sagittarius ascendant seems capricious.

I think this chart should be seen as correct and the onus to prove otherwise should be on those who move the time forward, not on those who accept this time, the most authoritative evidence and time. Instead, I have seen in the Vedic astrology world, “Sagittarius” is assumed to be true, and astrologers feel like the onus is on me to “prove Scorpio”.

I welcome all responses to this research. But I hope that all responses are equally detailed and as well-researched as this analysis, with dates, extemporaneous sources, etc. Sadly, that is usually NOT the case, in my experience. In the face of detailed research, responses such as “well, to me Sagittarius just works better”, with no data, etc. is seen as being just as authoritative. So, to the unresearched skeptics, I say:
“You’re entitled to your opinion, but you know what they say about opinions, right? Where is your research, dates/proof that the astrologer of the day was wrong and off by an hour? Let’s see your detailed proof, otherwise, I cannot take your opinion seriously”.

Regardless, I think this research does prove the point, both through extemporaneous history and how that recorded time adheres to the analysis and events listed.

SPECIAL THANKS to Casey Scott for helping with this research and hunting down the image of the Sibley birth chart and digging deeply into the other anecdotal evidence of a “later afternoon” time and a lot more.

Casey’s info:
Casey Scott @goldstarastrology https://www.instagram.com/goldstarastrology/

January 19, 2022

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